From Fan Girl to Sci-Fi Icon: A Conversation with Katee Sackhoff

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_00]: PORTUITIVE OF FAN GIRL is a web series and podcast created by Temple of Geek.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_00]: At the core of the project is the importance of telling the stories of women who have found

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: inspiration, growth, and power through fandom.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Jenna Ren and I'm the host of the PORTUITIVE OF FAN GIRL podcast.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And today, I have such as a great pleasure of talking to somebody whom I fangirl over,

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Miss Katee Sackhoff.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Katee!

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi!

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited!

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you!

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I thank you for having me.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I love your intro.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I love everything about it.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I am very happy to talk to you today.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that you have a lot of insight that really aligns with the project here that we're

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to do in empowering women in fandom.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I wanted to just start off by asking you about some of your early fandoms.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Growing up, what were you a fan of and what were things you were really passionate about?

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Gosh.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So, when I was little, I think I was really passionate about playing.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Playing in make-believe were huge aspects of my childhood.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I could get lost for hours in our yard playing by myself and just creating fantasy worlds

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and running around and pretending like I was anything from a fairy to a sheriff.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I was all over the place.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I was influenced by film later into my childhood because we really didn't have access to a

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: lot of television.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And so, around, I remember being probably like nine, ten years old and starting to,

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: my dad was introducing me to films that were influential in his life and it was always

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: science fiction.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It was always action.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, so that really inspired me as a little girl, you know, watching these

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: movies.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I joke that I wanted to be Bruce Willis.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I wanted to say the Nakatomi building.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted everything about him was just cool.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I like he was the coolest thing I'd ever seen in my entire life and I just wanted

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: to emulate that.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: There weren't a ton of women, strong women that I viewed as strong, but I found

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: them in science fiction, you know, Sikorni Weaver and Linda Hamilton and Lucy

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Lawless.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, these women inspired me as an actor.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of your work now has really been in the realm of science fiction.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like that's kind of been a full circle moment for you?

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was so intentional, you know, the moment in my career where I had the

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: luxury of choice, I leaned into things that my father would want to watch,

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that my dad would find interesting.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And because his tastes are my tastes, you know, we enjoy a lot of the same

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: movies and so I fought hard for Battleship Aralactica.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew that if I could get that character that it would change my life.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think that it would change my life in the way that it had.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I just knew that up till that point, I'd played very stereotypical blonde

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: roles. And I knew that if I could book

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Starbuck that it would make people look at me differently.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I heard so much in the beginning of my career.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: She's just the wrong look for a strong character.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: She's just, you know, she just she's blonde and she's small and she's sweet.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And we don't know what to do with her, you know?

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So I knew that if I could get that character, you know, people

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: would see me differently.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And then, you know, you have moved into arguably one of the largest

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: fandoms in pop culture with Star Wars with Bo-Katan, who is another

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_00]: extremely strong feminist character who you don't see often.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think as often as you should.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So how did you feel when taking on this character?

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you feel like you wanted to really make that side of her shine?

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think, you know, it's so interesting about the characters that I play

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: is that they're incredibly complicated.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the fact that they're female is one of the least interesting things

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: about them. You know, I think that it's very easy to to, you know,

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: say that, well, she's a strong woman.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Bo is a strong person.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: She's an incredibly strong person.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And and Starbucks was a strong person.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they just happen to be women.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And and that's what I love about it, that those are strong characters, you know?

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And so for me, the thing that I lean into in these women,

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: these characters, the most important things for me is is I find

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: where their vulnerability lies.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I find where they're they're sort of

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: their insecurities and the things that make them human, that make them relatable.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I lean into those things and and and I find that that is where they get

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: their strength from.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Has embodying these very strong characters changed anything for you on a personal level?

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think that when I got Starbucks,

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I was not a person that spoke my mind.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was raised not by my parents, but I was raised in a time,

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe, where where women were and young girls were still talked to

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and trained to be seen, not heard, especially in the industry that I was in.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't be difficult.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't be a bitch.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, just just you're so lucky to be here.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, but then you'd see the men next to me doing whatever they wanted

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and getting multiple chances to screw up and I only get one.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was I was very much trained to be a good little girl.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And playing Starbucks.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Gave me this weird voice in the sense that I found my bravado through her.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And part of it was protection like a protection mechanism.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a very young girl in this industry.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I was 17 years old.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I was surrounded by wonderful, wonderful men, but a lot of men, you know,

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: crews were were the the makeup of them was majority male.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was a young girl not to say that I was ever in a situation where

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I was very blessed, but I was never in a situation where I felt taken

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: advantage of or anything.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But what I'm saying is that that I always I created this this

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: crassness, this vulgar sort of like, you know, stereotypical masculine

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: energy about me because it protected me.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I was one of the guys.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I was one of the boys.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they didn't look at me like a cute girl.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: They looked at me like, oh, that's just Katie.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And Starbucks was part of that of part of helping me shape who that

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that that alter ego was, if you will.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I didn't really learn to to speak my voice and find

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: my voice until I was 28 and had my thyroid removed.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I had cancer and had my thyroid removed.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And and I had a very traumatic my my my anesthesia was very traumatic

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: in that it was the first time I'd been put under.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They put the needle in.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They forgot to screw the the IV to it and blood was squirting everywhere.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was so traumatized by that.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And my I was screaming for my mom and they my mom came in

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and by the time my mom came in, they'd given me something to calm me down.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was traumatized and I woke up from that surgery,

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: which was a very long surgery, but I woke up from it with this like

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: this.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: This like sort of like defiance to always speak my mind and always say

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: what I wanted to say, because I felt like I was so scared in that moment.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That moment came at the very end of Battlestar Galactica.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it sort of coincided with me finding my voice as a woman,

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: which I found later in life.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So very a long winded answer for that.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, it takes these specific moments to really change someone's mindset.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds very terrifying that you had to go through that.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But it yeah, it made you the person that you are today.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, for sure.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, did you carry this newfound voice into the rest of the characters

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: that you wound up playing?

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think so.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that that the thing that my characters all have in common,

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: all of them have in common.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there self-doubt and vulnerability?

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That is the piece of me that I've instilled in all of my characters.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The strength that these characters are.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are who these people are on paper.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That is who they're written to be.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I am being given the privilege of playing these strong women

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and learning from them.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do not believe that I was inherently strong as I started playing

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: these characters.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of it was a it's sort of a symbiotic growth, if you will.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I want to talk a little bit about your experience being a fan girl yourself.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Once there ever a moment while you were working on set or any of the

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: franchises you were involved in where you found yourself kind of having

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: to check your inner fangirl at the door.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It happens all the time.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It happens all the time.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, it happened on Battlestar Galactica.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't a fan of Battlestar.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't I didn't know the original series, but just the fact that, you know,

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that you're sitting in a spaceship and you're pretending this make believe

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: that I get to do it just blows my mind.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I have those pinch me moments on set all the time.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And not because of like, oh, this is my life.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: This is so, you know, wonderful.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But just like how did I convince them to let me on set?

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's just this moment of especially on on Mandalorian,

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: like seeing Grogu for the first time holding the dark saver for the first time.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like getting to work with Jack Black and and and, you know,

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: would be directed by Bryce Dallas Howard.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like these moments like in my career standing with John Favreau.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I just it still continues to just blow my mind.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, it's quite quite the adventure for a fan girl.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So now you're also working on a podcast yourself.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the Sack-Off show.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just wanted to know a little bit more about that.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So can you tell me basically what your podcast is about

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and what kind of stories you're hoping to tell with it?

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the podcast really came out of the YouTube channel

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that I started with my husband.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I sort of got bored between projects.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It was in right after Longmire before another life.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Mandalorian season two was in there,

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: but I had a lot of downtime and I was super bored,

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: but I was held under contract and so I couldn't really work.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I went and I created this YouTube channel that I loved

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and we continued it through COVID and had so much fun doing it.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was just too time consuming and incredibly expensive

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: to do these grand episodes that we were doing.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But what I realized, like with the rise of social media

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and COVID, what I was craving

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: were these authentic conversations with people again.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I was having these wonderful,

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: wonderful in-depth conversations with my friends

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and work colleagues, largely at conventions

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: where you haven't seen someone for a long time,

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but you're like, Oh my God, that was just the best conversation.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I just sat with someone for over an hour at lunch

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and we talked about everything.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, God, wouldn't it be something

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: if we could just record these conversations?

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's sort of what it came out of.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we just went for it and just started.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The idea behind the conversations has always been,

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I want the fans to feel like they are fly on the wall,

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: listening to two friends have a conversation over coffee.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted the conversations to feel

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: candid and raw and unscripted and honest.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was always my intention.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I started going through my Rolodex

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: of people that I found interesting

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and that I've worked with some I've worked with some I've not.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we just had Simon Pegg on.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never worked with Simon, but I met him through my ex

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and I've always been such a huge fan of Simon.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So I like DMed him and was like, Hey, you want to come on my podcast?

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's this mutual love that, you know, that I think

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I have for the guests on my show that that is just this

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: this sort of respect inside the career of that we've all been in this industry.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We've all worked in this industry for a long time.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, but at the same time, we're also really good friends.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted people to hear what those conversations were like.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And speaking of those very candid conversations,

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you recently had Ashley Eckstein, who was a guest on our podcast

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: as well, and you two talked a lot in depth about conventions

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and how you connect with fans and give them that really special moment.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you find the energy to get through a 10 hour, eight hour session

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and give each individual fan your full attention?

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, what's funny is like that actually

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that is the easiest part for me of conventions

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's for me, my personality type, it's infectious.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I love meeting the fans.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I love spending time with them.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I love talking to them about whatever they want to talk about really

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: really enjoy conventions.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I look forward to going to them because of that, you know,

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: we have so many common interests, you know, and and and that is

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: one of the things that I love about it as well.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just love people.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I love meeting so many different people from different walks of life

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: that I would never had the opportunity to meet otherwise.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And and I have such a such a respect and love for them.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's it's I don't I find the energy

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: easy because that's the energy they're giving me.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And so if they were coming to my table and like, hey,

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: great, so nice to meet you.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you know, can you sign that?

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, well, this is going to suck.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But no, the fans are coming with so much passion and love

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and and so I just meet them where they're at.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And do you ever kind of have to recoup after?

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Does it drain you at the end of the day?

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, for sure. 100 percent.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it's, you know, I there are people at conventions

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that all go out to dinner and things afterwards.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It takes a lot of energy for me to go to dinner with someone

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: afterwards because I've been talking all day.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been listening all day and my smile hurts in the back

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: of my head like right here.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You'd think if you smiled all day, your face would hurt.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not it's the muscles in the back of my head start to hurt.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And and so usually what I like to do after a conventional

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: long day is I will give myself a drink.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I will take a hot shower.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And after that, if I have energy, I usually go meet someone

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that for a dinner or something like that, that I haven't seen

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: for a while that I've worked with.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a friend and that's where those conversations happen a lot.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so like Lou, Dem and Phillips is coming on.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Lou and I went to dinner a couple months ago to convention

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and just had such a wonderful conversation.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, would you do this again on my podcast, please?

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So things like that.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's see energy you want to bring in.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's two old pals just sitting there talking.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I really love that because I think that that connects to fans

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: in a way that something really scripted and read off word for word doesn't.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So I really applaud you in bringing that to your fans.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a lovely. Thank you.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Super fun, super fun.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So can you tell us where we can find your podcast?

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Sack-Off show is available everywhere you get your podcasts and YouTube.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're sort of, you know, we're all over if you like us on audio.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We're on audio if you like video, we're on YouTube.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just really fun.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I think people are going to really enjoy it.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Katie, thank you very much for taking the time today

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_00]: to talk to me and to share your story and to give us insight into your life.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate it.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, absolutely. It's been a pleasure.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I love your show. I hope that it I hope you continue.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's not easy.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not easy, but but continue.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: People get a lot out of it.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: That means a lot to me.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.